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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 9, 2023 17:10:55 GMT -6
Experimenting again. 
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 10, 2023 0:01:40 GMT -6
It works like a thumb tab, but it's not. You have to curl/hook your fingers around the string as always. The thing is, it lets you relax your fingers, yet maintain the hook. When you decide to let it rip, it's gone !!! I'm excited about it. I shot 3 or 4 arrows into my bag target in the shop from about 10 ft away, then I went out to my range, and shot 3 or 4 warm up shots with it from 10 yards just to make sure I had a feel for it, then moved on back, and shot this group.  Two of the arrows are bare shaft It works VERY well.
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Post by fdp on Jan 10, 2023 7:42:00 GMT -6
So Rick......how are you making the string ledge? Is that just nylon material? I think if you posted a pic. with it around the string it might be easier for folks to visualize.
I believe I've got how it works clear in my head but hey.........I've been wrong before.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 10, 2023 8:49:31 GMT -6
So Rick......how are you making the string ledge? Is that just nylon material? I think if you posted a pic. with it around the string it might be easier for folks to visualize. I believe I've got how it works clear in my head but hey.........I've been wrong before. I'll be doing a full review of it with pictures of how it is built, and description of functionality sometime soon.
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Post by fdp on Jan 10, 2023 9:27:38 GMT -6
Roger that.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 10, 2023 11:09:08 GMT -6
Descriotion of, and some insight to the:
Death Adder "Strike" finger tab add on.
First off, I have always believed, that you get a crisper/cleaner loose of the string "IF" the finger pressure on the string is generated mostly from the finger just below the arrow. For lack of a better term, lets call it the "Trigger Finger"
For split finger shooters, the trigger finger is the middle finger, and for 3-under shooters, the trigger finger is the top finger, as those are the ones directly below the arrow. The cam/string lock is located, and positioned to accommodate that finger.
I have (always) struggled with that third/bottom finger drag, and have to be constantly mindful to keep from doing it.
I first came up with an idea some years ago of layering a tab where it is thicker under the "trigger finger". Layering helped, but it wasn't quite what I was looking for.
Not long after I came up with that idea I came up with this one, and have been toying with it on/off ever since, but not to any real thought of it being a production item.
I did however play with it for one extended period of time, which was in an effort to help keep an old friend of mine shooting. He had horrible arthritis, and it almost had him shut down in archery due to the pain in his string hand when shooting. I didn't want to lose my hunting & shooting buddy, so I dove into it with both feet.
What I built for that friend was this style tab, but attached it to a buckle on wrist strap like used for mechanical releases. I built him two. One for 3-under, and one for split finger, because he shot both ways. This design not only relieved the finger strain from holding the curl of the fingers on the string, but also shifted most of the draw weight load off his fingers, and onto his wrist. Long story short, it kept him shooting (comfortably) right up to the day before he passed away. That was around 4 years of use of this tab.
Recently, I had a guy see pictures of those wrist strap tabs, and asked me to build one for him. I had completely forgotten about them, until he showed me the pictures, that I had posted somewhere about it.
I built the wrist strap tab for the guy, but before sending it to him I shot with it a lot in order to make sure I had it working right for him. Of course, working right for me may not work exactly right for him, so it was built to be completely adjustable.
Anyway, while doing the testing of that tab I realized some very notable relief of the finger pressure, even when the draw weight load was still on them, and not on the wrist. I don't need any draw weight relief, but my fingers are badly arthritic, so that prompted me to try the cam/string lock on a regular tab.
I played around with different sizes & shapes of the cam lock, but in the end the barrel shape, and current size of it always worked best, so that's what I am running with.
From what I can see - due to the overall more relaxed finger pressure, it greatly reduces the lateral movement of the string created by the string roll off the fingers, When you decide to let it go - It's Gone !
In addendum, what this tab does is this:
(1) It allows you to hook/hold the string with less overall finger pressure. Quite a lot less. It does not relieve any pressure generated by the draw weight itself. Only the pressure of holding the fingers curled/hooked on the string is relieved.
(2) It allows you to accurately feel, and keep your finger pressure from the string load more on the finger just below the arrow (that trigger finger).
(3) Unlike a strap/thumb tab, you still have to curl, and hold the string with your fingers using this tab, which allows you to maintain the anchor point, and all the form you have always used when shooting fingers. You don't have to learn anything new, except for getting used to the "feel" on those fingers
(4) It helps you to be more aware of your back tension, and follow through on the loose.
All four of those things produce not only a much better loose of the string, but a much more comfortable one as well.
A side note to all of this: My bow shoots really quiet, but this made it shoot quieter. Which, I guess is testament to how sloppy my loose is with a regular tab. LOL
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 12, 2023 7:56:06 GMT -6
This is all still in the design & testing phase right now, but I do have the cam lock design nailed down., and templates created for it.
The rest it going to be making adjustments to the tabs themselves to insure a secure mount of the cam lock into them. One of those adjustments for sure is going to be to go to larger diameter fasteners, that bolt the tabs together in order to get them tightened good enough.
The fastener heads will be the same size. Just the nut/bolt thread size will be larger. At first, I will probably only be offering the cam lock with a tab purchase requesting that accessory.
I have to many of the other tabs out there with the small fasteners to offer it as a stand alone accessory, unless folks wanted to make the modification themselves by making the holes in their tab larger to accept the larger fasteners. I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms, (YET).
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 12, 2023 8:56:14 GMT -6
You would think, that an item so simple in design would be easy to accomplish. It's not, but I'm getting there. This is where I am currently at with the prototype. The design of the STRIKE string/cam lock is ready to rock. The tab has to have a 3-piece palm plate, where the cam lock inserts between the two top pieces of the palm plate. Those two pieces have deep lines scored into the inside faces of them that meet the belt of the cam lock. Once you tighten it down, the belt stays put. But, I had to use some old/used fasteners I had on hand, that were of the thread size needed. They were to long, so I had to make up the slack with some washers. I've been researching sources for a suitable fastener size. The cam lock is adjustable. That is why it has the excess length off the back of the tab. You can fold it out of the way when shooting & adjusting for your personal preference, and once you know you have it where you want it you can trim the excess off with scissors.

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Post by fdp on Jan 12, 2023 10:29:00 GMT -6
Now I understand how you are going to facilitate the location of the string shelf. That's going to be pretty slick I do believe.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 12, 2023 10:53:38 GMT -6
Now I understand how you are going to facilitate the location of the string shelf. That's going to be pretty slick I do believe. Thanks.  I just found, and ordered the fasteners I need to complete the project, so we're getting close.
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Post by fdp on Jan 12, 2023 11:15:22 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product and also the review when it's done.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 12, 2023 11:25:04 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product and also the review when it's done. I'm looking forward to doing it.  The written description, even with picture illustration, is sometime hard to grasp. When I do the video, there will be no question as to how it works, and how well it works. I still need to do some fine tuning on my bow using this tab, but yesterday I was shooting bare shafts from 30 yards, that flew almost as well, and accurate as my fletched arrows. Due to the shift of the finger pressure being mostly on the top finger, and that shift being very accurate/consistent from shot to shot, I had to lower my nocking point by a little over 1/4". Now, 1/4" may not seem like a lot, but when speaking of nock point location it's "HUGE".
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 15, 2023 19:11:18 GMT -6
Here's a video I did today in an effort to help folks understand how this works.
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Post by fdp on Jan 16, 2023 16:59:49 GMT -6
That's pretty darn slick. I can see that being very useful to people.
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Post by Bowmania on Jan 22, 2023 10:13:57 GMT -6
Morning Rick, I've been thinking of this for a while. Dangerous, of course.
If one 'roll' on the forefinger takes or redistributes pressure, wouldn't another for the second finger take off more? AND thereby be better?
I think the reason a tab shoots better than a glove, is because of the grooves that string wears in the glove. A tab is one surface. Now, you're introducing a groove. Maybe the 'roll' on one finger holds the string a split second longer and the middle finger that hold 50% of the bow weight is not involved. It comes off first with the third.
I've found this out in archery a number of times. Your three fingered split tab (material for each finger) was hard for me to shoot. I didn't like it at all. I threw it in the 'no go' archery bin. But I kept pulling it out from time to time and back it would go. Archery is habit. I eventually found out the reason I didn't like it was because it made me THINK about placing my finger on the tab exactly the same way each time. Could that possibly be bad? Now your other tabs are in the bin, lol. No, they're backups.
With that in mind. The 'roll' that's about a half inch long, might it be better if it was a 1/4? If what you're introducing to the shot is a cam affect, a 1/4 would be better than a half and it would force you to be more accurate with finger placement.
Coming from someone who shoots split these have an element of thought. that 3 under might not. I'd really like to try one for split.
I meant to start with paradox. I'd be interested to see slo mo of shots/arrow bending with and without. Might give us and idea on how clean the release is. Shooting both through a chrono would probably do the same. My guess is that the regular tab is going to be faster unless the 'roll' is some sort of cam affect. Then you really have something. Good work in any event, you got my brain to hurt, more than normal in fact,
Todd
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jan 22, 2023 10:58:37 GMT -6
Morning Rick, I've been thinking of this for a while. Dangerous, of course. If one 'roll' on the forefinger takes or redistributes pressure, wouldn't another for the second finger take off more? AND thereby be better? I think the reason a tab shoots better than a glove, is because of the grooves that string wears in the glove. A tab is one surface. Now, you're introducing a groove. Maybe the 'roll' on one finger holds the string a split second longer and the middle finger that hold 50% of the bow weight is not involved. It comes off first with the third. I've found this out in archery a number of times. Your three fingered split tab (material for each finger) was hard for me to shoot. I didn't like it at all. I threw it in the 'no go' archery bin. But I kept pulling it out from time to time and back it would go. Archery is habit. I eventually found out the reason I didn't like it was because it made me THINK about placing my finger on the tab exactly the same way each time. Could that possibly be bad? Now your other tabs are in the bin, lol. No, they're backups. With that in mind. The 'roll' that's about a half inch long, might it be better if it was a 1/4? If what you're introducing to the shot is a cam affect, a 1/4 would be better than a half and it would force you to be more accurate with finger placement. Coming from someone who shoots split these have an element of thought. that 3 under might not. I'd really like to try one for split. I meant to start with paradox. I'd be interested to see slo mo of shots/arrow bending with and without. Might give us and idea on how clean the release is. Shooting both through a chrono would probably do the same. My guess is that the regular tab is going to be faster unless the 'roll' is some sort of cam affect. Then you really have something. Good work in any event, you got my brain to hurt, more than normal in fact, Todd Morning Todd. The primary function is to allow you to relax your fingers, yet maintain a hook on the string. I've tested is with 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", and 1". The 1/4" was to small to get a deliberate feel for. The 1" was just to large, and bulky feeling. The 1/2", and 3/4" both work about the same, and give a very good relaxed fingers loose of the string.
I'll be using the 1/2" for the small size tabs (have to), and maybe even the mediums, and the 3/4" for the large & larger size tabs.
The "Bird Finger" (independent finger pads) tab you mention works very well, but it is just to hard to get used to, plus it is extremely hard to build. I may discontinue it sometime soon.
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