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Post by Rick Barbee on Mar 29, 2023 16:19:58 GMT -6
Who makes a wood ILF riser, that will hold up to heavy/heavier draw weights?
I have tried two very popular ones so far, and neither one were satisfactory.
Both were reinforced with G10, and both had glue joints cracked at the LLAs where the wood was laminated to the G10 I-beam.
I can only assume, that cracking was due to flexing of the riser, and that's a pretty good assumption.
Still though - I would love to have a nice 21" wood ILF riser, if I can find one suitable.
Suggestions?
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Post by Draven on Mar 30, 2023 19:26:46 GMT -6
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Post by Rick Barbee on Mar 31, 2023 6:47:59 GMT -6
I'm probably just gonna let go of the idea. The only reason I was thinking about it was to be in compliance with some competition rules (that I think are stupid), and likely won't ever shoot in those venues again anyway. |
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Post by Rick Barbee on Mar 31, 2023 8:39:51 GMT -6
I'm done.
The search is over.
This animal doesn't exist. At least not to my requirements.
I'm stuck on metal risers for at least until I drop down considerably in draw weight, and hopefully that will be a while.
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Post by Draven on Apr 1, 2023 5:31:46 GMT -6
The prices are getting high for quality wood risers. I checked a couple a days the prices for selfbows and what you could buy three years ago with $750 now is $1,700. This fact makes the expensive wood risers a deal!
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Post by fdp on Apr 3, 2023 7:41:00 GMT -6
Seems that maybe there is a business opportunity there. Hmmmm.......
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 3, 2023 8:39:17 GMT -6
Danged if I didn't just have a spiffy idea.  Take a riser like the one at this link: www.patnorrisarchery.com/?product=pat-norris-signature-series-pats-ilf-custom-wood-riser(1) Install your limbs, and get the alignment, tiller, and draw weight where you want/need it. (2) Do the measuring, then build a set of wood wedges for the limbs to set on, that gives them that alignment, and tiller . (3) Remove all of the ILF hardware, and make it a double bolt down for the limbs. Voila - Wood riser, non ILF, but "JUST" like I want it. This very well may be a project in the making for me. |
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Post by fdp on Apr 3, 2023 10:09:23 GMT -6
No reason in the world that won't work just fine.
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Post by fdp on Apr 4, 2023 9:20:29 GMT -6
You could, if you were so inclined to do it, make a riser that would work with both ILF and regular bolt on limbs. That would give you the best of both worlds. The selection of limbs that you would be able to use on a riser like that would be almost unlimited.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 4, 2023 9:25:06 GMT -6
You could, if you were so inclined to do it, make a riser that would work with both ILF and regular bolt on limbs. That would give you the best of both worlds. The selection of limbs that you would be able to use on a riser like that would be almost unlimited. Already thinking about that. Honestly, it won't be hard to do at all. The only problem is the strength of the riser, and so far I haven't found anyone to stand behind the use of 65# @ 30". Pat comes close to doing it, but thinks it would be pushing it's limit.
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Post by fdp on Apr 4, 2023 10:54:38 GMT -6
So where are you having issues with the risers failing?
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 4, 2023 11:47:09 GMT -6
So where are you having issues with the risers failing? Cracking at the LLAs.
Nothing serious, but enough to cause me worry, and I don't like worry. Going direct bolt down with the ILF limbs will eliminate that problem anyway, but I will use the LLAs in the riser to find correct alignment "before" making the mods for the bolt down. We'll see. I have a 21" wood Bigfoot ILF riser, but I don't like it. May do some experimenting with it though. |
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Post by Draven on Apr 4, 2023 13:28:52 GMT -6
So where are you having issues with the risers failing? I will tell you where the WFL riser failed: the belly of the limb pocket developed a crack - mostly due to the heavy limb and tiller bolt pressing down on it. |
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Post by fdp on Apr 4, 2023 13:41:05 GMT -6
So it seems that it wouldn't be a difficult thing (relatively speaking) to reinforce that area of the riser so that it could take the stress ?
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 4, 2023 13:50:11 GMT -6
So it seems that it wouldn't be a difficult thing (relatively speaking) to reinforce that area of the riser so that it could take the stress ? I think, that evenly distributing that pressure across the width of the limb pad would solve the issue. |
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 5, 2023 9:42:06 GMT -6
I got my old Bigfoot 21" ILF riser (wood with a G10 I-beam) out last night, and started looking it over. Hopefully sometime soon I will have a prototype mod done to it converting it to a direct bolt down with the ILF limbs. One thing needing to be understood - the mod will not change the riser, nor the limbs ability to still be used as ILF. I want it to be easily taken from one to the other, and back again.  |
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Post by fdp on Apr 5, 2023 11:06:21 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to seeing that modification. I've been thinking about that for some time but haven't worked on it at all.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 5, 2023 14:34:24 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to seeing that modification. I've been thinking about that for some time but haven't worked on it at all. I started to call it "non-binary"  |
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Post by fdp on Apr 5, 2023 15:20:53 GMT -6
LOL!!! That is funny.
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Post by tomm on Apr 7, 2023 20:36:42 GMT -6
Saw a YouTube video about one of those imports that can be used either ILF or bolt down. Of course I can’t find it now!!
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Post by tomm on Apr 7, 2023 20:45:24 GMT -6
I an’it no bowyer but I am thinking the long draw has effect on the riser more than the weight. What about a longer riser? Say 25”. Then again hauling around a beast like that at a 40 target 3D wouldn’t be fun.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 7, 2023 21:22:00 GMT -6
I an’it no bowyer but I am thinking the long draw has effect on the riser more than the weight. What about a longer riser? Say 25”. Then again hauling around a beast like that at a 40 target 3D wouldn’t be fun. The draw length is definitely part of the equation, but I'm picky. I want my bow to be 64", and I prefer medium limbs, so that leaves with only the 21" riser. We'll see where this all goes once I get the time to experiment with it some. |
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Post by tomm on Apr 9, 2023 13:09:23 GMT -6
Hit an archery, the coyote hunter I’d the bow I saw you can switch from ILF to bolt on and back agian.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Apr 9, 2023 14:32:53 GMT -6
Hit an archery, the coyote hunter I’d the bow I saw you can switch from ILF to bolt on and back agian. Their riser is only 17" ( I have to have 21" ), and they have a 50# maximum weight limit. Decent looking riser though. |
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