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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 11:42:16 GMT -6
Our Good Friend Draven gifted me a set of Border 6.5 Longs. I plan to put them on a 19" riser to make a 64" bow, but for now I have them on my 21" riser for a 66" bow. Didn't have a string for 66", so had to build one. I'll be updating this post with info, and more pictures as I have time to set up, and shoot the bow.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 12:50:28 GMT -6
Brace Height set to 6.5". Bolts maxed, and set to even tiller.
63# @ 29.5"
Perfect, since I like to be at, or close to 65#.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 13:04:31 GMT -6
They should be right at, or on 65# on my 19" riser when I get it, and the bow will be the 64" OAL that I like.
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Post by draven on Jul 19, 2022 14:23:50 GMT -6
It looks great! You have a dinosaurs killer there.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 14:27:04 GMT -6
It looks great! You have a dinosaurs killer there. Thanks. The limb pad angles must be a little steeper on this riser. I was expecting it to be 60#, or a little less.
Love it !!!
Soon as it cools down some I'm gonna shoot it.
109 degrees here right now, and expected to hit 112 before it starts cooling down later today. No way I am going to go out & shoot in this heat.
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Post by draven on Jul 19, 2022 14:31:46 GMT -6
With a 600gr arrow or more you will have to be careful there are no trees behind the animal you hunt. Or have a pair of pliers in the pocket. The draw cycle is different, I hope you like it. I did a draw curve for the limbs on my BW 17” riser and from 24 to 29 was gaining #1 more or less. Between 29” and 30” were gaining #2. But the risers are different.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 14:50:32 GMT -6
With a 600gr arrow or more you will have to be careful there are no trees behind the animal you hunt. Or have a pair of pliers in the pocket. The draw cycle is different, I hope you like it. I did a draw curve for the limbs on my BW 17” riser and from 24 to 29 was gaining #1 more or less. Between 29” and 30” were gaining #2. But the risers are different. The draw cycle is going to take some getting used to. I went out & shot about a dozen shots. Couldn't stand the heat any longer than that. Arrows are shooting way weak now.
Since I don't want to change my arrow configuration any, I'll probably just back the draw weight down, and see if that straightens them out.
Shooting good groups with it though with just an eyeball quick tune.
I can't do any serious work/tuning on it in this heat though.
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Post by draven on Jul 19, 2022 14:58:24 GMT -6
I’ve shot 250 spine Widowmakers with 350gr up front for the #62@28”. You have 300spine Widowmakers, I think 200 - 250 up front will be in the ballpark. That “there is hard to find arrows for heavy poundage SC” is somewhat true. Keep the arrow in line with the string, not tip on the left side of it.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 15:07:05 GMT -6
I’ve shot 250 spine Widowmakers with 350gr up front for the #62@28”. You have 300spine Widowmakers, I think 200 - 250 up front will be in the ballpark. That “there is hard to find arrows for heavy poundage SC” is somewhat true. Keep the arrow in line with the string, not tip on the left side of it. Yeah, these are .300's with 175 up front.
The limb alignment looks good, but I need to check it with my laser tool to make sure.
I have to many 175gr broadheads that I really like, and don't want to change from them.
I have room to shorten the arrows, and even though I don't want to I will if I have to.
I really need to wait before I do anything serious, until I get the BWC limbs in,
and see how things are with them.
I'm gonna have to bring the bag target back in the house where I've got A/C.  |
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Post by draven on Jul 19, 2022 15:09:53 GMT -6
Yes, you better stay in the house!
You will have your hands full with these Borders and the others tuning wise 🤣
PS You have the 50gr outsert (48 actually) on those 300?
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 19, 2022 16:01:59 GMT -6
Yes, you better stay in the house! You will have your hands full with these Borders and the others tuning wise 🤣 PS You have the 50gr outsert (48 actually) on those 300? My outserts are 44gr. |
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 20, 2022 10:34:26 GMT -6
I looked at the groves Draven's string had made in the velcro on the limbs, and set the brace height so the string matches those grooves.
Perfect.
Gives me a 7.5" brace height, great profile for the super hooks, and the bow is much quieter now.
Was definitely hard hammering string slap I was hearing.
Had to back it off to 60# to get my arrows flying like they should.
I still want to do a little more fine tuning on things, but I have it bare shafting to the bullseye from 30 yards,
and it is fast. Fast enough, that it is hard to track the arrow flight.
I may just leave these limbs on the bow for now, until I get my BWC's in.
I love them. Can hardly wait to get the 19" riser for them.
I'll take some pictures, and maybe do some video later on when I get it all nailed down the way I want it.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 20, 2022 17:24:52 GMT -6
I know one thing.
I'm regretting making the decision to lay off shooting for a while when I ordered the BWC limbs.
That was Dec 13th, and I haven't shot (until yesterday & today) more than a couple dozen shots in that whole long time.
My shooting is ok, but DANG I'm sore. LOL
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Post by draven on Jul 20, 2022 19:20:41 GMT -6
Time to get used with these then, before getting the new ones. You will be top shape mid August
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Post by ronaldcz on Jul 20, 2022 19:47:56 GMT -6
Dang! You guys are flinging some serious lumber with those heavy weight bows.
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Post by draven on Jul 20, 2022 20:43:09 GMT -6
The “heavy” bows have their perks. Rick’s arrow is very close to 600gr if my math is right.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 7:57:01 GMT -6
The “heavy” bows have their perks. Rick’s arrow is very close to 600gr if my math is right. I don't remember for sure, but 640 there about.
EDIT:
The "average" arrow weight is 640 gr (+/- 2 gr high to low)
I raised the brace height on up to 7.75"
Made a huge difference in the sound (much quieter),
and the draw cycle feels like it is supposed to on the super hooks.
I'm still within the Border acceptable BH window for 66".
Draven, yes this 66"er actually has a shorter envelope, than my 64" martin Lynx.
Quite a bit shorter, but where the Martin gets shorter as you draw it, the Border gets longer as it unfolds those hooks.
Still winds up to be about the same at full draw.
Shorter is better for blind hunting though, so I'm sticking to my plans for the 19" riser for these limbs.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 10:01:30 GMT -6
If everything works out as planned, I'm going to go kill a pig with it this weekend.  |
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Post by draven on Jul 21, 2022 10:28:27 GMT -6
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 14:08:17 GMT -6
By the time I got it all tuned to where my current arrows shoot real good, I was down to 58# @ my 29.5" draw. It's not as fast as it seemed, or that I thought, but the chrony says average of 192 fps with a 642 gr arrow (11.07 gpp) is smokin on. I've got my broadheads shooting perfect at the above specs. I'm good to go. Gonna go kill a pig with it this weekend.  |
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Post by draven on Jul 21, 2022 14:43:29 GMT -6
That arrow with a fixed crawl and 192 fps? It’s very good in my book.
Imagine what that puppy can do with a 250spine and 10gpp at #62
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 14:57:13 GMT -6
That arrow with a fixed crawl and 192 fps? It’s very good in my book. Imagine what that puppy can do with a 250spine and 10gpp at #62 General rule of thumb is 1 fps for every 3 grains of weight. If I dropped the arrow weight down to 9.5 gpp (551 gr), that a drop of 91 grains, which in theory would add 30.3 fps to the speed. 222 fps sound nice, but I bet it would be closer to 215 +/- a little.
Guess I'm gonna have to come up with some .250 spine shafts to have
proper arrows for these super hooks, especially at max draw weight.
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Post by draven on Jul 21, 2022 15:27:49 GMT -6
My setup ended #53@28” for a 300spine arrow of 577gr - Black Eagle Renegade. Initially I was using the 340spine with 150 up front but I changed it to get one gap from 15 to 30 yards.
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Post by draven on Jul 21, 2022 15:35:22 GMT -6
PS I think the 551gpp is very close to min for #63 on Border charts. I have the 250 spine Widowmaker Smash and with the 48gr outsert , 175 fieldpoint and 3” feathers the arrow is 644gr. That arrow will be in high 200fps for you. I’ve cut 2” on mines so the final might be in the 670gr if you keep them full length
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 15:43:50 GMT -6
PS I think the 551gpp is very close to min for #63 on Border charts. I have the 250 spine Widowmaker Smash and with the 48gr outsert , 175 fieldpoint and 3” feathers the arrow is 644gr. That arrow will be in high 200fps for you. Yep, but I was figuring it for the 58#'s I have it set at right now. When I go to the max 63#, I'll try to build new arrows at around 600gr. Or, I may just go back to shooting an elevated rest, and continue using the .300's at 642 gr. Or, I may just drop point weight. Heck, I don't know. LOL |
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Post by draven on Jul 21, 2022 15:46:37 GMT -6
You have good things to think about now I gave you the info knowing you like 175gr broadhead |
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 15:51:36 GMT -6
You have good things to think about now I gave you the info knowing you like 175gr broadhead 175 gr broadheads is all I have, and I have a bunch of them. I love the 175gr VPA 3-Blade heads. I'll figure something out. |
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 21, 2022 16:42:59 GMT -6
I'm probably just going to wind up cutting these shafts down in length.
I built them longer than I needed in order to cut my point on distance down.
I've got a couple inches, or more to play with.
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Post by Rick Barbee on Jul 25, 2022 11:15:34 GMT -6
I didn't get to go pig hunting this weekend with this rig like I had planned.
I started getting sick Friday with sniffles, and a cough (covid again / maybe, but mild),
so it would have got me busted. Plus, I had Family come in for the weekend.
I did get a lot of tabs built though, and had good times with the Family.
I'll be shooting for a plan of hunting sometime this week, but got to get rid of this cough first,
which is way better today.
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Post by draven on Jul 25, 2022 16:21:07 GMT -6
Health is more important than a hunt. Take good care of you, pigs are there all year round anyway
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